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by the prior speakers, especially chief freeman. what i would instead like to do is offer you what i hope is some valuable background in regard to the planning that has occurred for this project. in 2006 with the initiation of the capital plan, the jail replacement was first broached. in year 2007-08 we debuted the justice facilities improvement program. this program is a strategy to replace the entirety of the hall of justice. we define a strategy by withdrawing or vacating the hall of the department -- [inaudible] is a program that gained momentum through the passage of earthquake safety response bonds. we have already taken police headquarters away from the hall as well as southern district station. we are intending to withdraw the office of chief medical examiner from the hall in
fiscal year 17-18. we are under way with the planning of the traffic company and forensics division for the police department project and the project will withdraw those two elements were aspects from the hall in fiscal year 19 and 20. what will remain effective 2020 would sensibly be district attorney and probation and police investigations. the matter possibly of jail replacement is pending. so, the momentum to draw folks out of the hall is underway and substantially so. em mission that upon their departure from everyone from the hall we would demolish the west wing and make it available to the civic for superior courts replacement building. upon that commitment from the state the realize asian of that facility, they
would then move from what is the east wing where they currently reside into their new building and then we would presumably demolish that east wing. creating a plaza or public space among the different buildings that would continue at that location. so, i just thought important to give you a larger sense of the intent in regard to the hall of justice replacement and certainly am available to answer any questions you may have. thank you. >> thank you. i don't see any further questions. i just want to reiterate, i don't think anyone on this board disagrees with this statement that jail three and four are completely out of whack and that we shouldn't have anyone in those two facilities that i think we all agree with that. i think the question is what do we put
in its place? what does the data show us in terms of the trends that we as a city and country are taking around mass incarceration, wages are moving away from realizing not only is it incredibly expensive and burdensome for taxpayers, but it doesn't even necessarily make our cities the community safer. so, rather than think about this moment is an opportunity to expand rebuild the jail, i think the better way to look at it is an opportunity for us to rethink our jail system. that is what our hearing is here today and this discussion will obviously continue at least for the next year. at this time, i'd like to open up to public comments. we actually have speaker cards. i appreciate your and easy as him to speak it i'm going to call the first 10 cards and if you can line up and if you are in an overflow pre-start heading over to the committee room. i have rev. glenda houck, etc.
etc. rev. thomas thank you for being here. >> i'm the founder and for 17 years for the safe house for homeless women. we are one of the cbo's wizard alternative to incarceration. the majority of our residents have a long criminal record, but they now wish to transform their lives, escaping poverty, addiction homelessness, danger, and prostitution. we are alarmed by the growing numbers of women
who come to us who have mental health problems, including head trauma, recurring seizures, bipolar, hallucinations severe dissociative disorder. ptsd paralyzing anxiety and depression and drug addiction. also, what i've not heard mentioned here today is we have women come to us who have significant developmental disability. the women who come to us in majority has suffered long-term incest and other child abuse. the majority have been on the street since they were an average of 14 years old. we need -- we offer a conference of 18 month old unit and education program. including therapy, education, dental care, job readiness, many management, nutrition, substance abuse and self-defense and we do this at
less than two thirds of the cost it would be -- we would encourage people woman in jail. i invite you, please, to remind you rather, san francisco once had a network of boarding residences for mentally ill people who do not need to be institutionalized number but who do need safe housing with minimal support to remain compliant, well-nourished [inaudible] >> thank you. by the way, i
hate cutting anyone off, especially reverends. i apologize for doing it just want i know we have a lot of speakers, to make sure we get through before folks have to go. >> i like to see my position to dr. kerry does >> i apologize. yes. you can come up afterwards but yes dr. cooper was on my list. >> thank you. hello., supervised. thank you for the careful consideration to this important issue. my name is terry cooper. i'm a psychiatrist. i the community practice. my professor at the right instance. i was a consultant to progress foundation and connections a collaborative program and san francisco those very successful. it is a shame in our nation in a population over jails and prisons has multiplied at least sevenfold
since 1970s. meanwhile, the proportion of prisoners with serious mental illness is actually been rising. we have essentially institutionalized people with mental illness moving them from the state hospitals to the jails and prisons another way to say that we've criminalized mental illness. the national sheriffs association and treatment advocacy center published a report showing that 10 times as many people with serious mental illness are in jails and prisons as in our hospitals. one response to the problem is to build a mental health jail. as you know, los angeles is also considering that option. behavioral health prisons are in a vote. california has one. work on is proposing. this approach is foolhardy. for many reasons. jails and prisons necessarily involve a culture of punishment that is very damaging for people with mental illness. there's a basic in psychology. people change their
behavior in response to rewards, not punishment. jails and prisons are set up actually as punishment systems. another important pencil is that people with mental illness will not improve the medications alone. they need to be talked to. they need psychotherapy, group therapy, and social revocation, which san francisco's many fine programs. the medications are one part of a conference of treatment plan, but of medication alone to be the entire plan their very badly lost. usually, the patients become subdued because they are drugs. they also become obese and with less. this list. in every public initiation local government and the federal government that i'm aware of, new programs are devised and funded then after a while interest wanes and funding and the budgets are cut. a program
deteriorates. what my concern is about a mental health jail is that after the judge of ipod as i thought i was your first bout in fact that was your second go. i do have to ask you to finish your sentence. we may call you back up afterwards so you clearly have a lot of expertise on this issue but just for the sake of making sure to get through. feel free to complete her sentence because i cut you off just to let me hurry through. >> complete the sentence >> the tone of his devotion and service scope very good diversion programs. connections is one. >> thank you. was hoping you would fit. i appreciate you being here, dr. cooper. >> thank you. the need for alternatives to the jail is an integral part of the whole system of criminal justice.
tinkering around the edges is not going to work at this time. but, first, i want to especially thank you president breed, supervisor kim, for spearheading the continuance of this hearing. your high level and informed leadership is both recognized and appreciated. thank you chairman yee and supervisor christiansen for your openness to hear this continuance today. three years ago us medical associate just a lease riley, the setting hiv for women in semper cisco discovered that the greatest risk to hiv and homelessness for women in san francisco was one experience in our jail. one. not 10, not three. one. for men, the highest risk factor for both jail and homelessness was unemployment. we need to
pay attention to this because this kind of study connected most of the docs we need to address today and problem solve through policy and public investment. one more.i want us to recognize and is already been addressed is the hayward burns study that was presented at reentry within the last 10 days because it takes us more deeply into our core systemic issues. racial bias and the link to criminal justice in the jails in the criminal justice system. especially, as it addresses the issue of african-americans and latinos and the public defender's office -- [inaudible] basically safer blacks and latinos, every issue and every alternative and every service be it mentally ill or what ever, needs to cut and below that racially. >> thank you. thank you for
all your work on this issue. >> good afternoon, supervised. sharon johnson. thank you president breed and supervisor kim for holding this hearing and supervisor yee and supervisor christiansen for being that this wonderful public forum. i want to -- unless retired city employee i work as a former executive director for the that is of women. in those early days we did a program coming to the sender was taking a look at at risk youth. at that point we saw why the position not be rebuilt but read them. it is today 2015 to say those words weren't heated. it is very wonderful to see that you are we thinking about what is happening to our people that are incarcerated him a especially those with mental health issues. i'm glad that
you are thinking to do what is right no matter what because they are people who deserve to be successful products of our society and not just to be jailed because people think they need to be jail. i i think of your time and i look forward to positive results for those people in jail. >> thank you. >> good morning.. i am the sony manager the public defender's office and a member of the public defenders for racial justice. i am appreciate this opportunity to supervisor came matching, we think, this conversation where we are rethinking the jail system. i want to point to one fact reflects the deep irony in our jail system right now. that is, in 2013 statistics, which is that on average, over 86% of the average daily population
that year, and i think it's about the same now, is presentence, please sentence which means the people incarcerated are actually presumed innocent. it's a deep irony that so many of the people that are in jail are people that are presumed innocent and often times there's an offer made that if you plead guilty you can get out of jail. i think we want to reflect on what that says about our system. while you're innocent that is our people should be in jail if you plead guilty you can leave. as the population of san francisco want to people to plead guilty because they've detailed investigation with her attorney where they say the evidence is such that we recommend you plead guilty, or do we want a system where people are pleading guilty merely to get home to kids, to get to job opportunities, to get to educational opportunities? is that a fair system and fundamentally it isn't. so, the best way to avoid the problem
is to put more effort into releasing people pre-adjudication, pretrial so they can effectively work on their cases rather than it just being something that's guilty pleas. thank you. >> thank you so much for coming, steve. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is joshua wilson with the san francisco [inaudible] member of the racial justice committee as well as -- social survey that was a documentary on pbs. i think was called stranger by another name. that essentially track is that after the emancipation proclamation slavery did not and i'm here to say slavery is alive and well in san francisco. once sick and tired of having this conversation. nothing is being
done. in 1994 the report that came out that said african-american men in san francisco were twice as likely to be incarcerated in san francisco than anywhere in the us and at that time, 10 times more likely to be incarcerated in a apartheid south africa. then the -- report came out and the in-between that the cjc and whatever reporting out. people come to the board of supervisors, different supervisors, different terms is still the same problem. in the burns institute report -- i'm holding up a copy of it -- out of 1000 adults in the population for blacks, two of the six at any time of african-americans were locked up. that means 20.6% of african-americans were in county jail at any given time in san francisco compared to whites who were 1.9%. we can
talk about this panic and brown people because the numbers are not accurately reflected, but what we do know we can come by people at 20 presented by this board of supervisors what will history say about you? in any event talk is cheap. action is priceless. we know we got the numbers right now. at this point, how may more black and brown lives do if the pile of here? how many reports do we have depth before something is done? enough is enough. action is priceless. >> thank you so much. we appreciate all the work that the public defenders office is doing. thank you so much for both being here. >> thank you for holding this hearing. [inaudible] practice for public safety but we need your leadership now more than ever to push the metal doesn't perform to our needs to be an san francisco. specifically, i ask that you direct the san francisco department of public
house along with col. justice partners to come up with a competent plan for alternative programs and policies to this single capital option but jailed replacement facility has been brought before you. this board has authorized $10 million the planning and development of a jet. you have been requested to authorize $14 million more and get this board is not authorized a single dollar were directed a single city staff person to look at alternatives. i ask that you do that. second, i ask that you direct the apartment of public works and the surest apartment to immediately decommission and permanently close cj-three. it's been empty thanks to the sheriff since 2013. we all agree it's unsafe. every projection shows we will not need those were 26 beds and ask that you take action today. last, i ask that you immediately inquire to the city administrator's office and the sheriffs department about any
contracting out of current jail beds in san francisco. we do not want to become a city that rents beds to other jurisdictions were trying to displace responsibility for their overreliance on incarceration. specifically, i ask that you inquire any utilization of cj-four. we've all determine it's unsafe. if it's unsafe for people being held under the superior courts it just as unsafe for anybody being held here through a contract with another jurisdiction. thank you. >> thank you. thank you for all your work as well on this issue. >> good afternoon. my name is -- this is layla and will be speaking together. good afternoon like i said my name is [inaudible] up your mentor with project one family staff member and a child formally frustrated parent. although i love my city, and barely thoroughly disgusted my city is even considering a new jail. i
like to tell people like me and my fellow children of incarcerated parents that we are seven times more likely to be incarcerated because her parents are were were. to me, this jail build is a cold and calculated way to plan which bed, sell, or me or my fellow children of incarcerated parents will be sitting in. how this money go for reentry services they won't be in another jail? area, the education of children of incarcerated parents for years of college more programming so we no longer have to be a statistic that the justice system needs. not in our name we build a new jail. >> my name is layla de soto and their present advocate runs june 2014. i'm here today to discuss the new jail that you guys are discussing right now. so god personally i think it's going to be a waste to build new jail because half of the prison don't need to be
isolated in a jail. they need help to get back on their feet and their needs need to be met. i believe children of incarcerated this should not believe in a nisbet as a child of incarcerated parent i've not seen my dad since i'm 416 next month. so, rather than spending money on an isolated build as you go to the children need transportation to see the parents or programs that help us to stay in contact with our loved one. today i'm here to prevent this from happening. feckless >> thank you. i still the couple more cards to call. first among laura thomas. the callback -- etc.
>> first of all, i want to say thank you to supervisors for holding this hearing. i have a powerpoint which i handed over but i will save time and just speak the point in it. i'm lord thomas with the justice policy outlines a number of san francisco taxpayers for public safety. amongst the recommendations we got three recommendations that we want to highlight. one is increasing funding for the pretrial diversion project. you heard earlier how effective that program is with in comparison to the amount of money we would spend on a jail it's a relatively small amount of money that would dramatically expand their capacity >> did you want time to put that up on the slide? we will pause your time.
>> so yes, recommendation number one is to increase funding for pretrial diversion project. specifically, making sure that they can staff up with the capacity to meet people with more significant mental health needs. that something that people with training would be able to do. the second recommendation is specifically to increase funding through san francisco department of health for supportive housing, mental health and exhibit substance abuse treatment programs. we heard about the importance of that and -- i'm sorry -- >> maybe someone can help you? >> so can i finish my point when people and things around dph funded programs is that the programs are run by the health
department we could build other health insurance programs for providing therapeutic mental-health services and licensed facilities which is something we can't do for people with mental health image appeared in the jill, taxpayers are paying the full cost of their health care services in residential treatment clinically, run programs we can be getting the kind of reimbursement that will offset those cockpit judges agreed up for recommendations will let you run through three and four children only three. >> only three. the last one is on the san francisco police department. it's asking to expand the crisis intervention team to enter de-escalate mental-health crises on the street before people end up getting arrested and put in jail. we can do a better job of diffusing the crises. ask san
francisco to implement a model currently in seattle which gives police officers tools and the ability to refer people directly into services instead of being booked into jail. it would have an immediate impact on the number of people adding booked into jail as well as giving police officers the ability am a more tools, to address social problems that we are by and large asking the police department to address without necessarily giving them the tools. i will and there. thank you very much >> thank you, ms. thomas. >> good afternoon, supervise. my name is nancy rubin. i'm a
retired department of public health employee. i ran the jill of services. i work in the county jail for 15 years. from 1975-1990. after that i was the county health and human services director marin county deputy director los angeles countdown very familiar with the policy questions that are in front of you today noted thank you very much for taking the time to really think through and listen to this am i these issues instead of making what would be considered somewhat of a hasty decision with such a large amount of general fund dollars will have to go to match any kind of state dollars that come forward. i heard the controller correctly today, at the high end of the recommendation is for one or 20-392 people, at diane. we been hearing testimony today from individuals that can give you -- including the sheriff's office, to the problems we wouldn't need a joke. if other programs were incremented by laura thomas, and/or the other just that. etc., i think we can dramatically reduce the numbers even in the jail today. just like taking the efforts of
having a committee on alternative to jail compared to just a committee on capital building. so, i want to urge you once again to look at those numbers in terms of the numbers that are projected for the numbers of beds and also echo what the public defender's office was saying. once again, for the thousand people in jail that haven't been sentenced. 1000 people are in jail. only when 70 are there senses. 1030 are there presentence because they cannot afford bail. if you or i or our children were in a situation in jail we wouldn't be. we would get out due to the bail process, etc. only to step up the number programs that are of able to address is very small number. the years that i spent running a jill health service, we spent battling jails overcrowded we are now completely under the she very proud of our efforts and build on those success. thank you very much. should you thank you for your work.
>> thank you. thank you for your work >> my name is [inaudible] i've been working in around jails and prisons in the state. worked initially in the mid-70s with sheriff [inaudible] working to reduce the number of women image appeared to a work furlough program and mothers tell ship it at that time were about 2400 people in the jill system. i am very pleased that -- i also served on the jail overcrowding committee in the late 1970s, which propose a lot of the alternatives that help to reduce the population now to about 1200. but i feel like saying, i've been listening to lots and lots of [inaudible] this monday i think keeping back to the words bill nagle guzzo former prison warden now in his early 90s who said as long as we continue to build jails and prisons we will have neither the political will nor the resources to develop the
alternatives. thank you. >> thank you. >> hi. i'm [inaudible]. i'm here again in the capacity as the jill group's coordinator. we work with a number of people who are directly the target audience of new jail i guess you could call it. i have a background in mental health and general public health education. so, i wanted to really commend a lot of the programming that we are he heard about today. the aurora project, a lot of the diversion programs. i think is a really good start, but it's important to also point out san francisco, with gentrification that is undeniable is increasingly hostile to poor people low income people, of all kinds.